I, on the other hand, thought both the Girl-Wonder Blog and the Hathor Legacy blogs were dead-on in their assessments.
And the problem is not that people disagree, but the utterly disrespectful tone that is horrendously dismissive of those opinions (which, by the by, are not exactly new or unusual opinions about Joss's work). It isn't just comments stating that people disagreed with Girl-Wonder or Hathor Legacy, but the language used. Certainly more than a little sexism and racism showed up, cloaked in "nice guy language."
And by the way, Simon, I noticed you engaging in some "Nice Guy" language in there, too, so right now I'm not inclined to by sympathetic with your annoyance over the "white mcwhiterson" remark — especially since the remark was pretty on-target as far as I can see.
And by the way: Do you honestly think that those two blogs represent the only bad reviews of Dr. Horrible or the Buffy comic? Let me say this in the kindest way possible: You would be horribly wrong to think that.
Dr. Horrible alone generated a lot of chatter on my Flist that flat-out stated: 1) Oh, look. Joss killed another normal human woman. Really not surprised; and 2) Does anyone really believe Joss when he claims to be a feminist anymore? Because we're starting to think it's a marketing thing.
Really, Simon. When you look at his pattern, you may see one thing. But there are an awful lot of people out there who are looking at his pattern and they're really starting to not like what they see. And here's the thing: If Joss himself wasn't trying to push the idea that he's a feminist and is writing "feminist entertainment," no one would call him on it. But the fact is he does make those claims, so when people start seeing the same pattern out of him be it sexism or racism, they're going to call him on it.
And finally, you may not like those opinions. You have every right to disagree with those opinions.
But I seriously suggest you take a look at the responses that flooded those two Whedonesque posts. An awful lot of your monkeys started flinging poo around, and your responses, as well as the responses of the other mods made it look like that the mods on the site not only approved of the poo being flown around, but were also encouraging people to fling poo around.
If you're wondering why Whedonesque is starting to get a reputation for not being the nicest corner of the Web to hangout in, as well as getting labeled as "the place where the batshit insane Joss fans hang out," I think you can look at the responses to those posts as Exhibits A and B, as well as the mobbing of Hathor Legacy and Girl Wonder as Exhibits C and D.
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And the problem is not that people disagree, but the utterly disrespectful tone that is horrendously dismissive of those opinions (which, by the by, are not exactly new or unusual opinions about Joss's work). It isn't just comments stating that people disagreed with Girl-Wonder or Hathor Legacy, but the language used. Certainly more than a little sexism and racism showed up, cloaked in "nice guy language."
And by the way, Simon, I noticed you engaging in some "Nice Guy" language in there, too, so right now I'm not inclined to by sympathetic with your annoyance over the "white mcwhiterson" remark — especially since the remark was pretty on-target as far as I can see.
And by the way: Do you honestly think that those two blogs represent the only bad reviews of Dr. Horrible or the Buffy comic? Let me say this in the kindest way possible: You would be horribly wrong to think that.
Dr. Horrible alone generated a lot of chatter on my Flist that flat-out stated: 1) Oh, look. Joss killed another normal human woman. Really not surprised; and 2) Does anyone really believe Joss when he claims to be a feminist anymore? Because we're starting to think it's a marketing thing.
Really, Simon. When you look at his pattern, you may see one thing. But there are an awful lot of people out there who are looking at his pattern and they're really starting to not like what they see. And here's the thing: If Joss himself wasn't trying to push the idea that he's a feminist and is writing "feminist entertainment," no one would call him on it. But the fact is he does make those claims, so when people start seeing the same pattern out of him be it sexism or racism, they're going to call him on it.
And finally, you may not like those opinions. You have every right to disagree with those opinions.
But I seriously suggest you take a look at the responses that flooded those two Whedonesque posts. An awful lot of your monkeys started flinging poo around, and your responses, as well as the responses of the other mods made it look like that the mods on the site not only approved of the poo being flown around, but were also encouraging people to fling poo around.
If you're wondering why Whedonesque is starting to get a reputation for not being the nicest corner of the Web to hangout in, as well as getting labeled as "the place where the batshit insane Joss fans hang out," I think you can look at the responses to those posts as Exhibits A and B, as well as the mobbing of Hathor Legacy and Girl Wonder as Exhibits C and D.
Just sayin' dude.